Web links related to the Back of the Book program of November 11, 2002

It's Sunday afternoon 11/24/2002 16:44:59 and this page is done! I got to the stuff below and I did get through all of the mail on this program. So this page is done, on to the next program! Yeah, the tenses change on this page, but that's because different parts are written at different times.

Here is the latest on the saga of Pacifica. There was a big meeting of the interim Pacifica National Board September 20-22, in Houston, TX. It did NOT reach a decision on the bylaws of the Pacifica Foundation. They had another meeting for the purpose of dealing with bylaws in October and there's another one planned for November 22-24. This ought to all culminate in a big December iPNB meeting.

As we move into the next phase of the Pacifica Crisis there are various elements that would like to simply replace the previous group of hijackers with themselves and/or their pals. But some of us are more convinced than ever that only open elections will provide a long range cure for the Pacifica Crisis. Here's a link to the various election proposals. Here's the latest bylaws proposal, subject to change at a moment's notice, of course.

Here's the WBAI schedule. Don't blame me if it's not accurate, I didn't make it up I'm only relaying it. Here's a schedule made by a listener who has Web links for various programs and producers.

Our colleagues from Off the Hook now have both a RealAudio streaming web cast operating, and a new MP3 stream both of which were working at about 9:36 PM last night. The MP3 feed is now the preferred feed.

In late October Harry Hay died at the age of 90. Mr. Hay was the founder of the Mattachine Society, the first real organization in America set up to address the grievances of gay people. The group was founded on November 11, 1950, so this will be the 52nd anniversary of its founding. In those days they called it a “homophile” organization because “homosexual” was a dirty word and hardly anybody knew what “gay” meant.

I interviewed Mr. Hay on February 21, 1983, and I'll be playing a short excerpt from that interview on tonight's program. As is typical of many movements and groups, Mr. Hay was eventually driven out of Mattachine for having been a bit too radical.

Here's an interesting editorial by a listener activist who also has some information about who's in favor of some very bad ideas for WBAI and Pacifica.

I spoke on the air about Hashem Aghajari, who is an Iranian professor who's been sentenced to death, 74 lashes, exile for 8 years and not allowed to teach for 10 years, not necessarily in that order. It's another one of those blasphemy charges those Iranian fundamentalists love so much. Amnesty International has more on his plight.

We got caught up with the mail again on this program. We had a little snail mail and then we had a bunch of E-mails, the latter are presented here. First we have a missive from Fernando. He talks about how the creator of the Wonder Woman comic invented the polygraph, which I'd discussed on a previous program.

Subject: A Missive On Polygraphs Machines
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fernando
To: rpm@glib.com

Dear R.

I have written to you previously although I have not written in quite a while. You have previously read a few of my missives on the air. I have even donated money to your show. Do you like Wonder Woman? Did you ever receive the books I sent you on Creation Science and the propaganda in science textbooks used to brainwash school children? Please let me know if they were lost in the mail because I can get more to you.

In your broadcast of October 14, 2002, which was by the way a pledge drive to which I contributed, you discussed polygraph devices and how they differed from the common misconception of a “lie detector.” I thought it might interest you to know that the polygraph was invented by Dr. William Moulton Marston, a psychiatrist who under the pen name of Charles Moulton also created the comic book character, Wonder Woman! Did you know that, R? I did.

Now there is a lot that has been written about how Marston created Wonder Woman in order to offer little girls a character that they could identify with and a female alternative to a field dominated by men. That is bull, R. I am here to tell you that. In reading some more about Marston, I have discovered that he was a nut who believed that women were going to dominate the world post-World War II (Wonder Woman, by the way was created in 1942) He felt that since women during wartime had to take up jobs that were formerly exclusive to men while the men were all off fighting, that they would not surrender this new independence and retreat to their rightful positions as homemakers and mothers. He was a real loon, R. He believed the world was going to develope into a matriarchy with even a woman as president.

I thought this might be of interest to you, R. I had not been writing because I have been questioning our relationship. You have been dismissing me as a “troll,” which is ridiculous because I have better things to do and what's worse, you have been censoring my message by editing my letters in such a way that they aren't even intelkligible anymore. Please let my message be heard. While shredding my letters on the air, you have no problem reading every word of a definitely obvious prank letter by someone who is out to troll both YOU AND ME! I won't say his name so I don't encourage him. I have been very upset about this but I hope we can set things straight once again. I have no one to talk to.

Florham Park, NJ

Subject: polygraph exams
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:50:24 -0400
From: Lewis
To: martin-rpaul rpm@glib.com

rpm, back in the early '80s the office of technology assessment, a research arm of congress, was asked to study the validity of lie detector exams. Its report stated that polygraphs were completely invalid. (the ota no longer exists, a victim of Newt Gringrich's budget cuts.) A newspaper article in the NT Times from that period covered the OTA report; there was also an article in NY magazine about polygraphs and how people could “fake” them out, circa 1983. I'm sure that OTA report can be found somewhere on the government printing office web site.
The reason that I remember the report is that a few week's prior to to report being issued I had to take a polygraph exam before being hired by a data processing company here in NYC. I remember showing the article to numerous people at the DP company. best wishes, lewis

Subject: WFMU, they have all the last weeks shows links
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:01:34 +0900
From: "Alan"
To: rpm@glib.com


look at how www.wfmu.org aka, WFMU radio station does it, they have all the last weeks shows links (3 s'es) on one webpage.



Well, maybe some day WBAI will do things better than it has been doing. Some day. Maybe.

Next we have an E-mail from an expatriate listener! The Internet feeds are really making a difference for the overnight programs at WBAI.

Subject: Hi r.paul
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:08:24 +0000
From: Neal
To: rpm@glib.com

Hey r. paul. I just wanted to say a merry hello to you and pickles of the north and your radio audience.. I have been a devoted listener since my I was ten... I am now 24.. As a result your show has played a significant role in forming my idea of what good radio should be.. (believe it or not!!!) I have recently moved from NY to London, and I am proud to say that I get up extra early on Monday mornings to hear your program as I get ready for the day.. I have also recuited a whole bunch of people on this side of the pond as new Back of the book listeners.. So with the addition of 5 new listeners I know over here; you just may be approaching the 20 confirmed listener mark. So it is time to celebrate... All of us tuning in here are also fagasauruses radicaliuses as well!! well maybe we are a bit younger but you get the idea... so we would love it if you would take time out at some point to go into further detail about the early days of the gay liberation movement as too many young people are unaware of their gay history.. I know you talk about it on the pride day celebrations.... But hey pride should be every day and it is just so interesting to hear you talk about it.. On a personal note.. I have recently become very very interested in the history of early new york television... Not network programming but new york based shows.. Could you also talk a bit more about that at some point... Your early childhood experiences always fascinate.. Keep up the good work..

-Neal, the exiled new yorker......

P.S. I did pledge.. I used my US address... So you may not have made the connection. Pickles took my pledge.. She was very pleasant!!

Next we have someone correcting a factoid I'd remembered incorrectly on a previous program.

Subject: Error From Last Show
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:09:31 EST
From: Stan
To: rpm@glib.com

Hi R. Paul,
Last show you were discussing gun fights and you said that the average gun fight is at a distance of seven FEET. It is seven YARDS.

I am a retired NYC Police Officer and I will never forget the day at the pistol range when this was covered. I was a rookie then. We drew our pistols at a target seven yards away and fired 6 rounds. I missed all six times [I did improve]!!!!!.......Your fan, Stan

Subject: Do You Need To Know Where I Am From?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:46:54 EST
From: Stan
To: rpm@glib.com

If you need that information before you can read my mail on the air, I AM from Long Island [as opposed to Susan].........your fan,

Next, our London expatriate listener talks about Josephus' mentioning of Jesus H. Christ. I still don't see this proof that Jesus H. Christ really existed. Josephus wrote well after the fact and from a thousand miles away, and in those days people were believing in all sorts of gods. Also, there is evidence that some of what he wrote was bowdlerized by Christian monks who copied out his books centuries later.

Subject: Jesus in the records
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:34:40 +0000
From: Neal
To: rpm@glib.com

Hey R. paul.. Just heard your explanination of the finding of the tomb of the brother of Jesus... One fact I have to disagree with with is the existance of a guy named Jesus.. I am a devout athiest, but I am also a student of Roman History.. As you may or may not know, the romans were very exact records keepers.. Which is why were are able to re-create such a detailed image of every day roman life. There is a deatiled record from the Roman provence of Judea, regarding the “disturbances” caused by the followers of a “man named Jesus.” He is listed as having a following consisting of many social malcontents and as just one of many roaming “priests.” who frequented the area claiming to cure the sick. This by no means proves that he was the son of god.. But the historical fact is that there was a man named jesus who thought he was god.. NO MORE.. But the man did in fact exist.
-Neal -the exiled New Yorker

And, finally, one listener disagreed with my complaints about the way the Russians “rescued” hostages by killing so many of them. My big beef, however, was with the way they treated the people after they were gassed. People were loaded onto a bus as limp cargo in various stages of consciousness and disorientation. Many were left with their heads tilted back over the seats of the bus. I heard reports that quite a few simply threw up and drowned in their own vomit. No one was left on the bus to help them. And of course the Russian government refused to tell the doctors what the gas had been in a timely manner. The death toll from that incident could have been cut way down if some simple concern for the well being of the “rescued” hostages had been evidenced.

Subject: okay to read on air
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:54:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken
To: rpm@glib.com

Hi R Paul, hope you get this before you leave for tonight's show...

Firstly, I must take exception to your viewpoint on the Russians' tactics for rescuing the theatre hostages. I think you have a bit of hubris about their communist years. The Soviets WERE idiots, but that's the past. If I was one of the seven hundred (or whatever) hostages who *survived*, I would be awfully thankful to Putin and the officials. It seems to me with the way the terrorists rigged the theatre up, that those 800+ people were as good as dead. Israel would consider the survival rate in this situation as a successful rescue. Whether or not the Russians could have used a less potent gas, without adding to the risk of the terrorists being able to blow the place up, well I haven't heard anyone come up with a better idea.

Secondly, you may have mentioned this, but I wasn't around: has your inability to taste sweets cleared up? I know you went through a battery of exams to find ou the reason. I know it's very disconcerting, as it happened to me also, only right after I had a fever, and it went away in a few days. Anyway, hearing your experiences helped me know what was going on...otherwise, it might have freaked me out much more.

Good health and good cheers to you and the Great Pickled One.

---Ken from Washington Heights

There are a lot of issues that are considered hazardous to talk about on the air at WBAI. But there is an Internet list called “Free Pacifica!” which you can subscribe to, and these issues are discussed there. If you subscribe to it you will receive, via E-mail, all of the messages which are sent to that list. You will also be able to send messages to the list.

If you want to subscribe to the “Free Pacifica!” list just click on this link and follow the instructions, and you'll be subscribed. Could open your eyes a little bit.

The above list has occasionally produced a high volume of E-mail because of the attention that these issues have drawn. If you would prefer to subscribe to a low volume list that only provides announcements of events related to these issues then subscribe to the FreePac mailing list.

Another list that's sprung up is the “NewPacifica” mailing list. This one is very lively and currently includes over 400 subscribers coast to coast. Being lively, of course, it sometimes also gets a bit nasty. All sorts of things are happening on this list. With that warning in mind, you can look at the NewPacifica list here, and you can join the list from that Web page too, although you'll have to deal with Yahoo! to do so.

There is also the more WBAI specific “Goodlight” Web based message board. This one has a great many people posting anonymously and there's also an ancillary board that's just totally out of hand.

The “Goodlight” Web based message board has expanded to cover all Pacifica stations.

My voice mail number at WBAI is 212-209-2996. Leave a message.

You can also send me E-mail.

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